I've been pondering a jump to Linux for awhile.
I used to be a "PC Guru" back in the DOS days, even to the point (late 1980's) of writing a commercial app for pawnshops. It was written with Clipper, a superset of dBase which compiled my app into an EXE. I supported my app through Y2K and afterwards for a few years (but had quit selling it in the late 1990's). Eventually my customers had moved on to other Windoze apps for their business in the early 2000's. Funny story...in maybe 2021 I got a phone call from one of those clients who was still running my app (!!!) and asked me to make some changes to comply with new changes in the laws that license the pawn biz in Oklahoma! I was shocked he was still running my app 20+ years after I sold him my app!! He said it was still running like a top. Sadly, I couldn't help him since portions of the source code, required compiler and library extensions, etc. had "gone bad" on the three CD ROMs I once used for backups. I would also need to reconstruct a DOS machine to do anything. I hated to tell Dewayne I wasn't able to help and he needed to find a new solution.
Anyway....I tinkered with Windoze beginning with 1.0 which was just a GUI shell. As time went on, I fully moved from DOS (but kept a separate DOS machine for the pawnshop app) and graduated to Win95 and have been in the ecosystem since. Nowadays my PC is just an appliance running Win10. My current "daily ride" is a 3+ year old HP laptop connected to an external keyboard, mouse and monitor.. I once needed a laptop when I was traveling all the time doing "studio house calls" but I DO NOT TRAVEL anymore!!!
Soooooo...looking at Linux on one of those little "shoebox" computers. I wish that Beelink had a SD port for backups and "sneaker netting".
I'll also need to keep my older XP laptop for specific apps: flatbed scanner (HP dropped support after XP), TubeCAD (also won't run on anything newer than XP) and probably PSU designer.
I've begun looking into VPN software for Linux and will need a new antivirus app, since nasty Linux viruses are out there. And being a total Newbie with Linux is a bit scary for a very Olde Phart!
Enough rambling for now!!
Bri
If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
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Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
Theres a good article here about measuring your PC's power consumption ,
https://www.techspot.com/guides/2641-me ... wer-guide/
Ultimately the measurements these apps give arent a very accurate way to measure total power consumption , but at least it will give a good comparrison between different opperating systems on the same machine .
I'll might try a few tests later, Windows PE10 VS normal WIn 10 ,
There was an interesting stat I found some time back ,
the average Californian over the course of their lifetime , has a carbon footprint some 400 times what the average person in Bangladesh does ,
Theres absolutely no sign of peoples personal power consumption coming down , this idea that we can reach a reduction of 50% in the coming years is bullshit , and even if we did its still totally out of proportion with consumption in less well developed places ,and any surpluses that accrue the AI/big data will consume on our behalf anyway .
The cost of lighting using incandessant lamps was a signifigant factor back in the old days , now we have leds the cost of lighting is a tiny fraction of what it was , yet overall personal power usage has only increased . Data centers make deals on power years ahead of time , the ordinary customer picks up the price increase as demand goes up . Environmentally Leds are a disaster , the 'Power' has seen to it leds are classified as non toxic and are presumed safe to dispose of in standard municiple waste .
If aliens did ever make it to earth ,why would they see humanity as anything other than a parasite .
https://www.techspot.com/guides/2641-me ... wer-guide/
Ultimately the measurements these apps give arent a very accurate way to measure total power consumption , but at least it will give a good comparrison between different opperating systems on the same machine .
I'll might try a few tests later, Windows PE10 VS normal WIn 10 ,
There was an interesting stat I found some time back ,
the average Californian over the course of their lifetime , has a carbon footprint some 400 times what the average person in Bangladesh does ,
Theres absolutely no sign of peoples personal power consumption coming down , this idea that we can reach a reduction of 50% in the coming years is bullshit , and even if we did its still totally out of proportion with consumption in less well developed places ,and any surpluses that accrue the AI/big data will consume on our behalf anyway .
The cost of lighting using incandessant lamps was a signifigant factor back in the old days , now we have leds the cost of lighting is a tiny fraction of what it was , yet overall personal power usage has only increased . Data centers make deals on power years ahead of time , the ordinary customer picks up the price increase as demand goes up . Environmentally Leds are a disaster , the 'Power' has seen to it leds are classified as non toxic and are presumed safe to dispose of in standard municiple waste .
If aliens did ever make it to earth ,why would they see humanity as anything other than a parasite .
Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
Below is a roughly 5 minute average of each of the main power readings from WIN10 and PE respectively ,
The win 10 is a fresh install , I dont have any apps installed , edge and an update for it are in program files , there are also a few driver packages in the installed programs, Video ,onboard audio and touchpad , fairly bulky drivers addimittedly , in total I have around 750 mb space used in Program files
The PE is loaded with .inf drivers after boot , the entire X: or ramdrive image is less than 800mb ,
So effectively PE is running in the space that WIN 10 requires only for drivers ,
Ive tried to make it as level a playing field for the test as I can ,
but there were differences , the PE has an external USB drive attached and it was connected to the internet , where the WIN 10 had neither ,
I only made the test duration 5 minutes initially , I left to get a cup of tea after , the WIN 10 average ran on .
After 25 minutes average current draw in WIN 10 was roughly three times WIN PE ,
If suspect I rerun the tests over a longer duration WIN10 will just suck suck suck more and more power , things are likely to worsen considderably if WIN 10 gets a sniff off the internet , and WINPE's average will fall further.
If you happen to have an always on PC on test bench ,mainly just doing nothing , a saving of two thirds or more in electric is very signifigant ,
Its a damning inditement against these bilionaire types who are telling us to pull in our belts to save the planet , while quietly commiting a 'form of highway robbery of our energy infrastructure , in cahoots with government, for which the consumer picks up the tab .
Just one more thing ,
Of course if you and a team of legal experts core drill the the EULA ,
There are giving themselves licsence to rob you blind ,
it can all be infered from the small print , in a round about way .
There are words I could use to more succinctly express my anger about all this , but its more the language youd expect to hear in a dockers bar , perhaps it doesnt take pride of place here in the Peabody lounge , to paraphrase a teacher I had back in school
As always a pleasure Brian ,
The win 10 is a fresh install , I dont have any apps installed , edge and an update for it are in program files , there are also a few driver packages in the installed programs, Video ,onboard audio and touchpad , fairly bulky drivers addimittedly , in total I have around 750 mb space used in Program files
The PE is loaded with .inf drivers after boot , the entire X: or ramdrive image is less than 800mb ,
So effectively PE is running in the space that WIN 10 requires only for drivers ,
Ive tried to make it as level a playing field for the test as I can ,
but there were differences , the PE has an external USB drive attached and it was connected to the internet , where the WIN 10 had neither ,
I only made the test duration 5 minutes initially , I left to get a cup of tea after , the WIN 10 average ran on .
After 25 minutes average current draw in WIN 10 was roughly three times WIN PE ,
If suspect I rerun the tests over a longer duration WIN10 will just suck suck suck more and more power , things are likely to worsen considderably if WIN 10 gets a sniff off the internet , and WINPE's average will fall further.
If you happen to have an always on PC on test bench ,mainly just doing nothing , a saving of two thirds or more in electric is very signifigant ,
Its a damning inditement against these bilionaire types who are telling us to pull in our belts to save the planet , while quietly commiting a 'form of highway robbery of our energy infrastructure , in cahoots with government, for which the consumer picks up the tab .
Just one more thing ,
Of course if you and a team of legal experts core drill the the EULA ,
There are giving themselves licsence to rob you blind ,
it can all be infered from the small print , in a round about way .
There are words I could use to more succinctly express my anger about all this , but its more the language youd expect to hear in a dockers bar , perhaps it doesnt take pride of place here in the Peabody lounge , to paraphrase a teacher I had back in school
As always a pleasure Brian ,
Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
Heres the results averaged over around 30 minutes . WIN 10 then WINPE
There was around 140 processes running in task manager in WIN10 , PE had only 36 .
There was around 140 processes running in task manager in WIN10 , PE had only 36 .
Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
Do you still have your plain html webpage?brianroth wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:18 am I've been pondering a jump to Linux for awhile.
I used to be a "PC Guru" back in the DOS days, even to the point (late 1980's) of writing a commercial app for pawnshops. It was written with Clipper, a superset of dBase which compiled my app into an EXE. I supported my app through Y2K and afterwards for a few years (but had quit selling it in the late 1990's). Eventually my customers had moved on to other Windoze apps for their business in the early 2000's. Funny story...in maybe 2021 I got a phone call from one of those clients who was still running my app (!!!) and asked me to make some changes to comply with new changes in the laws that license the pawn biz in Oklahoma! I was shocked he was still running my app 20+ years after I sold him my app!! He said it was still running like a top. Sadly, I couldn't help him since portions of the source code, required compiler and library extensions, etc. had "gone bad" on the three CD ROMs I once used for backups. I would also need to reconstruct a DOS machine to do anything. I hated to tell Dewayne I wasn't able to help and he needed to find a new solution.
Anyway....I tinkered with Windoze beginning with 1.0 which was just a GUI shell. As time went on, I fully moved from DOS (but kept a separate DOS machine for the pawnshop app) and graduated to Win95 and have been in the ecosystem since. Nowadays my PC is just an appliance running Win10. My current "daily ride" is a 3+ year old HP laptop connected to an external keyboard, mouse and monitor.. I once needed a laptop when I was traveling all the time doing "studio house calls" but I DO NOT TRAVEL anymore!!!
Soooooo...looking at Linux on one of those little "shoebox" computers. I wish that Beelink had a SD port for backups and "sneaker netting".
I'll also need to keep my older XP laptop for specific apps: flatbed scanner (HP dropped support after XP), TubeCAD (also won't run on anything newer than XP) and probably PSU designer.
I've begun looking into VPN software for Linux and will need a new antivirus app, since nasty Linux viruses are out there. And being a total Newbie with Linux is a bit scary for a very Olde Phart!
Enough rambling for now!!
Bri
Bonum certamen certavi, cursum consumavi, fidem servavi.
Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
The amount of garbage running in the background of Windows is astonishing. I can't believe that an 8 GB RAM machine is extremely slow with Windows 10, and completely useless with Win 11. 8 GB is not much, but after testing Linux Mint I can say that the amount of resources that Windows requires just to boot is amazing. I have Windows on a Virtual Machine in Linux. The second I start the VM the CPU fan starts running.
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Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
The cooling fans almost dont opperate at all under WINPE(Hirens Boot CD ) ,
WIN 10 is full of hot air and even just idling the fan runs continously ,
I remember XP , a fresh install would typically take up around 5-6 hundred Mb on disk ,
WINPE isnt a whole lot more than that , but of course it works with almost any hardware new or older(with the appropriate settings in ISO2USB or another program called Rufus) ,which prepare the disk and loads the iso .
Its really usefull if you have a PC that wont boot properly but you need to get data off it ,run up PE from an external drive and you can easily extract the stuff you need or troubleshoot damaged system files with an excellent collection of free third party software tools .
It bears more of a resemblance to WIN7 than 8,10 or 11 , so its very good for people who have been steadfastly fighting off Microsofts built in obsolesence factor but have come to the end of the road with WIN7 .
WIN 10 is full of hot air and even just idling the fan runs continously ,
I remember XP , a fresh install would typically take up around 5-6 hundred Mb on disk ,
WINPE isnt a whole lot more than that , but of course it works with almost any hardware new or older(with the appropriate settings in ISO2USB or another program called Rufus) ,which prepare the disk and loads the iso .
Its really usefull if you have a PC that wont boot properly but you need to get data off it ,run up PE from an external drive and you can easily extract the stuff you need or troubleshoot damaged system files with an excellent collection of free third party software tools .
It bears more of a resemblance to WIN7 than 8,10 or 11 , so its very good for people who have been steadfastly fighting off Microsofts built in obsolesence factor but have come to the end of the road with WIN7 .
Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
Yep, same old website. It's a historical artifact! I've been investigating moving away from Go Daddy for hosting and email. They keep raising their prices for no good reason.
Bri
Professional audio and video systems design/installation/maintenance.
www.BrianRoth.com
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Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
This just showed up,
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topi ... -audio-os/
Im not saying it provides hard evidence for the claims ,
but it does give every indication and my own tests with PE over the last while seem to confirm it.
Your drastically cutting down on WIndows 'housekeeping' workload as well as third party garbage ,
and we know exactly what their upto in the backround , no good ...
did you ever hear the saying, your being 'taken to the cleaners'
It could be a reference to the workhouses and laundries back in the day , who knows .
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topi ... -audio-os/
Im not saying it provides hard evidence for the claims ,
but it does give every indication and my own tests with PE over the last while seem to confirm it.
Your drastically cutting down on WIndows 'housekeeping' workload as well as third party garbage ,
and we know exactly what their upto in the backround , no good ...
did you ever hear the saying, your being 'taken to the cleaners'
It could be a reference to the workhouses and laundries back in the day , who knows .
Re: If are still not using Linux, now it is a good time to start
I had a chance to read through the Audio creation guide ,
Yeah ,I know what your thinking , Winbuilder looks daunting ,
and it is ,
Fortunatelty thats where Hirens boot comes in handy ,
you cut out step one entirely ,
Instead its a matter of creating the bootable drive from the ISO in Rufus, then restart to boot menu , select boot from usb and it just works like a jack in the box, at your service every time , no whinges to update or downtime , no GUI firewall to hamper access to settings ,
It will require you load and configure your audio device drivers each time , but the lack of install nag screens makes it a breeze .
It might be possible to install a USB driver package after boot with a third party app ,but task manager isnt available in PE .
You can include any on board inf drivers you've extracted from the native Win10/11 install on the machine in 'custom drivers" on the USB drive root , but you will have to settle for WIndows compatibillity drivers for graphics and internal sound card, I personally dont need my visual senses tied up when Im trying to listen intently , close your eyes, open your ears .
Yeah ,I know what your thinking , Winbuilder looks daunting ,
and it is ,
Fortunatelty thats where Hirens boot comes in handy ,
you cut out step one entirely ,
Instead its a matter of creating the bootable drive from the ISO in Rufus, then restart to boot menu , select boot from usb and it just works like a jack in the box, at your service every time , no whinges to update or downtime , no GUI firewall to hamper access to settings ,
It will require you load and configure your audio device drivers each time , but the lack of install nag screens makes it a breeze .
It might be possible to install a USB driver package after boot with a third party app ,but task manager isnt available in PE .
You can include any on board inf drivers you've extracted from the native Win10/11 install on the machine in 'custom drivers" on the USB drive root , but you will have to settle for WIndows compatibillity drivers for graphics and internal sound card, I personally dont need my visual senses tied up when Im trying to listen intently , close your eyes, open your ears .